Hmm.. 🤔
TikTok can be banned, Twitter can be banned, Meta can be banned even Bluesky(major network parts via the official company) can be banned
If they want to ban the Fediverse, they'll have to ban each server within the network of tens of thousands
Somewhere in there is a point I guess :blobcatgiggle:
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tsadilas
In response to this post@stux for that to work though people need to stop concentrating in the main instance (mastodon.social)
@tsadilas True, true but still
IF that will get banned they can simply move and tada 🎩
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Pennywhether
In response to this post@stux It could be an eternal game of whack a mole.
@pennywhether At least it would costs them a lot of resources and money
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Metod Rybár
In response to this post@stux Sure, but I guess most fediverse instance admins aren't up to fight with the US or any other major government compared to big companies
@tikend Not in legal matters, but the US cannot force me to do anything
They'll have to go via their Dutch partners and even then....
Catch me if you can :blobcatgiggle:
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Regendans
In response to this post@stux Governments don't need to ban to hurt the Fediverse. 😑
This new OSA law in the UK is quite problematic. I think I've seen an announcement of a Mastodon instance stopping because of that law.
Here a web-link at Lobsters (hobby project, invite only Reddit alternative) https://lobste.rs/s/ukosa1/uk_users_lobsters_needs_your_help_with Lobsters and HaikuOS forum want to geo-block UK for the moment because they see no other option regarding this UK law.
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Nathan Jung :spacecore:
In response to this post@stux Hmm. I think they could simply ban social media apps. That wouldn't kill the fediverse completely due to web apps, but it certainly wouldn't help things.
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Wahrer Zahrenknecht
In response to this post@stux I guess an alliance of nations could make a law declaring operating, hosting or signing up to a Mastodon sever a criminal offence. The software itself would probably still be operated at the fringes of the internet for some time, but Mastodon as a true social network would collapse instantly.
So, no need to get all too cocky.
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william.maggos
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it would be like shutting down torrents which they still seem unable to do.
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Bret Carmichael
In response to this post@stux @briankrebs I’ll add to that. In the US, for-profit social media companies and media outlets are rushing to appease and self-censor. Fediverse servers have no pay-to-play incentives.
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AlexanderMars
In response to this post@stux worse case scenario; iOS users would be left without getting any updates to the app…
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r0k
In response to this post@stux whatever the point is, it's distributed 😉
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Mastodon Migration
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This post makes you think of dark times in history. Secret printing presses. Pirate radio. Hope we are not headed there again, but good to be thinking about it and prepared if we are.
@mastodonmigration Right!
I was even talking about Tor a little while ago, wtf
It has gone too far already
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wiredog
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Twitter, Bluesky, and Facebook are American companies. They already are banned in many places outside the US. In the US they have First Amendment protections.
They, unlike TikTok, aren’t controlled by the PRC.
I’m unaware of any independent mastodon servers in the PRC.
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xs4me2
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It’s like autocracy vs democracy basically… you can’t ban the people’s voice eventually…
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Gemdation
In response to this post@stux "Twitter can be banned, Meta can be banned"
For that to happen it would need to be from a different country. 😵
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Christopher Holmquist
In response to this post@stux If we're going to ban TikTok on the basis of Chinese spying, we can do the same with Meta on account of American spying
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T2R
In response to this post@stux the point is Twitter and Meta SHOULD be banned. Problem is I have to block all social media at work because of the lack of controls for filtering out porn on fedi servers.
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ChatJERRYPT
In response to this post@stux it’s rather like trying to ban webmail services
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GrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸
In response to this post@stux They tried to ban the pirate bay. I feel there's a lesson there...
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Rev. Artilect Zed
In response to this post@stux <emp's major population centers>
Nothing's working now!
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Lightfighter
In response to this post@stux Then you just start playing the name game... Y is banned, long live Q. Eventually they get tired of playing whack-a-mole.
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🇨🇦🇩🇪🇨🇳张殿李🇨🇳🇩🇪🇨🇦
In response to this post@stux Small mistake in your first paragraph.
"Can" should be replaced with "should".
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Hideki Motosuwa
In response to this post@stux fediverse is like HTTP protocol: decentralized and interoperable. Good luck blocking the protocol🙃
And don't forget that XMPP is invincible just like fediversu
Long life decentralized communication protocol
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Jakob Fel :rg2: :sega:
In response to this post@stux Don't forget that the Fediverse is objectively better due to the fact that it's not exploiting its users through algorithms! That's one really underrated aspect of the network IMO.
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RejZoR
In response to this post@stux They just need to ban clients (apps) and access points (websites of said services). And when both App Store and GooglePlay Store are both American controlled that part is easy. Websites, slightly harder but they can do it as well. That shows a greater issue with the way how certain tech companies have too much control over people.
If you can't access all the servers they can't control, people won't be able to reach them either. Very few people are willing to sideload or bypass things.
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dummzeuch
In response to this post@stux they just make hosting those illegal and go for some of the admins. The rest will "voluntarily" shut down their instances.
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nxadm
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They can ban the protocol, they can ban encryptions, they can enforce backdoors, they can force identification, they can harass admins with fake chages, seize servers, etc, etc.
Never underestimate motivated (crypto-) fascists.
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miner
In response to this post@stux I was in Beijing last week, and fedi domains weren't blocked. I have only tested a couple of them though. Google, Proton, WhatsApp, Telegram were blocked. That being said, fedi's spared because it's small. It's trivial for states to expand the blacklist by 10,000 more IPs and block the entire fediverse. A p2p solution is a lot more resilient.
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Wendy M. Grossman
In response to this post@stux See, previously, Usenet.
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René
In response to this post@stux yes, but guess, #usa had the power over the domain registry. They can pull the plug out everywhere anywhere #trump likes.
@muzicofiel So? Free onions for everyone!
Otherwise IP will also do 💪
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lin11c
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And what an excellent point it is!! Fediverse RULES!!
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Markus Werle
In response to this post@stux But individuals like me can be banned across the Fediverse just because someone does not like my legal opinion. So where's the progress?
@markuswerle Setup your own server 😉
But.. you cannot force people to not-ban you 🤔
That would not make any sense
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zombiewarrior
In response to this post@stux im going to just ban myself and save everyone the time
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