Mastodon can be run locally on an intranet without touching the web and function just fine
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think this is the case with a Bluesky PDS
From personally experience it has to use a lot of services provided by Bluesky, many of them listed here: status.bsky.app
So if you ask me if Bluesky is truly self-hosted? No, I don't think so
If the company behind Bsky dissapears and the server stop working I believe it's the end
Mastodon however can be forked and continued
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Athos
In response to this post@stux a PDS lives around the relays. BlueSky is a relay. you could spin the entire BlueSky infrastructure by yourself but it doesn't seem worth the hassle
@athos Let's say you spin one up, on that point it also connects to Bsky's relay or would it be a uh.. let's say "separate network"?
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ケレムさん 🏴☠️ :unverified:
In response to this post@stux that's forking awesome!
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Super Nintendo Chalmers
In response to this post@stux Blueskys federation is a lot like Donald Trumps evidence about the 2020 election. It’s just bullshit
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Little1Lost
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From my understanding:
If the main Relay of Bsky does not get supported anymore it could be exchanges by modifying the "normal" URLs
Some other parts (that centralize) could be changed in a similar manner
Currently trying to replace the relay is simply ensuring the same thing exists twice, thus making it redundant, errorprone and maybe even opening the same "downsides" of mastodon (not uniform)
a good, technical & fair read:
https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
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Solarbird :flag_cascadia:
In response to this post@stux BlueSky is mildly complicated in that regard. Roughly speaking:
A PDS is just your Personal Data Server. Your own posts, your records of relationships. That's all it is; it relies on talking to another service called a _Relay_ to do more.
Relays are what handle the actual message distribution. Unlike Mastodon - where every instance is its own "relay" - without a Relay to talk to, your PDS can't send or receive messages.
There _can_ be more than one Relay in a BlueSky network. But they scale _down_ very poorly; to run a proper relay, you're literally talking tens of thousands of dollars a year in costs.
Their idea is that several Relay instances could be set up by organisations like CloudFlare. This has not yet happened, but could.
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normy foxyoreos
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@stux I want to head off what I'm starting to see as a common ATPro response to this kind of question. *Technically*, a PDS can be read without a relay.
So sure, you could run a PDS without touching the Internet and turn it into a local display or consume the data elsewhere.
But that's not really impressive. That's just a blog, it's just a data format. We had those already.
"You can do a lot with just a PDS" is sort of like saying, "you can do a lot with JSON."
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Joe
In response to this post@stux BlueSky is currently in what @pluralistic identified as the first stage of enshittification. That is the stage where the company is being really good to the users and operating at a loss. That is why I am on it; a lot of good people I used to follow on Twitter are there, and it has a lot of good features the Fediverse could learn from. But I expect that this will be temporary, because at some stage they will have to make money, and to do that they will have to make things worse.
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joy larkin 🌺✨
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As a practical matter, the Bluesky UI is still centralized even if you run your own PDS or whatnot.
Also, interestingly Bluesky is going for yet a third round of venture funding, as they are valued at $700M https://techhub.social/@Techmeme/113791779956336014
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rexi
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on the pure math, the social network with most built in #disaster #resilience
Tags: #resilience #resilience #disaster
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ErgonWolf
In response to this post@stux Excuse me... Mastodon can be what???
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Eugenus Optimus 🇺🇦
In response to this post@stux just an idea
Could mastodon be a potential solution for future interplanetary social network federation? e.g. with very slow or limited connectivity
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Mania Emma
In response to this post@stux @fatuus #lowtech
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TiedyeTed
In response to this post@stux actually you can install Linux, Apache, MySQL, and the entire stack on a laptop. I have been doing it since last century.
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𝚝𝚓𝚠
In response to this post@stux lately, I've been obsessed with those sorts of use cases too. Non-federated or intrenet/lan-only networks.
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