@ChrisMayLA6 A problem there I think, is the tendency to over protect children. That stunts their development and stops them from becoming productive members of society.
I've seen it too much among my younger students (19-25).
I think however, that slowly society is waking up to that fact. But probably too early to tell.
Yup, I'd agree; I do think they need to be protected from some things/people, but we've definitely seen the pendulum of protection swing too far towards (over)protect.... but there is (as you say) a burgeoning movement away from this, although there is still too much programming of risk elements rather than letting young children discover what is risky. I blame the 'parenting' industry which has heightened anxiety about the impact of negative childhood's experience(s)
@ChrisMayLA6 I agree. This sounds reasonable. If I think back to my unviersity days, the very few people I know what they are doing, are mostly still in sweden. I'm the most widely traveled person by having lived in 6 countries. I know one guy moved to singapore for a few years, one guy moved to mexico for 1-2 years or so. But out of the 160 or so in my class, I only very loosely know about 6-7 or so.
@ChrisMayLA6 Ahh... but wasn't there an exception made for corona? I think the article I read was related to (b) where parents argue that the quality of schools are so bad it causes their children mental problems, and therefore they need to be home schooled.
yes, there was a lot on online learning in the pandemic, which is now seen as having contributed to heightened anxiety & social difficulties of the school age children....
@ChrisMayLA6 Even though I firmly reside with the home schoolers, I do have a soft spot for government schools when you consider the fact that some irresponsible parents have no business teaching their children anything, and in some cases, I even wonder if those parents perhaps even shouldn't be parents in the first place.
In those cases, home schooling can do a lot of harm.
UK home schooling is very much a minority activity... driven in the main by:
a. religious belief - so some religious parents prefer to have the children taught at home & clearly inculcated into the community religion;
b. special educational needs; the SEN system is somewhat of a crisis & some parents having failed to find a suitable solution for their children's education end up taking it upon themselves (because they ay be better able to deal with behavioural issues, for instance);
@ChrisMayLA6 I'm not very aware of the UK policies. What have they been doing and what were the results?
In sweden, every government, regardless of color, always wants to redo the school system "their way".
The result is that sweden is among the lowest in the PISA scores.
Strangely enough, today I read in the swedish mainstream paper, that sweden should copy the UK school system for 8-16 year olds, since it apparently, according to the paper, has been successful (?).
@ChrisMayLA6 I think it depends on the person. The US is like the EU. You have very conservative states, often in the middle, and very socialist along the coasts. I think that regardless of ideology or color, young people in europe, who are bright and well educated, will find nice places in the US to settle down.
I do think though, based on reputation, that the most likely to move are the conservative young.
@ChrisMayLA6 EU politics of socialism, authoritarianism and high taxes are not reversed. I feel sorry for the young and bright in the EU, but at least they will be able to move to the US in the future. Perhaps I should feel more sorry for the middle-aged? Much more difficult for them to move. =/
Hmmm... not so sure the young will want to move to the US; some of the mores & norms of conservative America would seem to conflict which much of what European youth seem to live by, but then again I'm no longer in touch with the young, like I was when I was working, so maybe I'm miss-reading that?
@ChrisMayLA6 But remember, that we'll also reap the benefits at 3x-4x the speed as well, so the negatives will be offset!
The key here is not to be too quick with government regulations, so as to miss out.
The CEO of OpenAI did an excellent job oin behalf of the US, to stop the EU AI market, and with regulatory capture.
Mario Draghi, strangely enough, dared to tell the truth. The EU is falling behind, and the EU will be nothing but a tourist resort in the future if the current
@ChrisMayLA6 Are there any proven rule of thumbs for how long interest decreases take before they show a positive effect on consumption and the economy?
I'm thinking about buying a house, but I am reluctant to sell shares if they are about to increase in value. In that case, perhaps better to postpone the purchase.
On the other hand... when the economy starts to recover, that will drive up house prises.
@ChrisMayLA6 That also explains the conflict between home schoolers and the government. It is about power over the children, and who gets to influence them the most.
@ChrisMayLA6 Yes, I agree. There is something with a personal crisis or with an extreme situation, that sometimes forces people out of ingrained, mental habits, and into new perspectives. Just look at people with near death experiences, I'd say that there can be radical shifts of values there.
As for upbringing, it is true. That is why I think the government is so attracted to getting its hands on the young, because it makes it easier to mold them into supporters of the government.
@ChrisMayLA6@stiefel_fan Well, I am not against people communicating their point of view and arguments, this is ok. As long as I, after having received their information, have a free choice of working or not working, that is perfectly fine.
@ChrisMayLA6 This is interesting. Over how many years did it lag?
Since we are currently in recession territory and unstable markets, it is to be expected.
Interest rates are coming down, and (in sweden at least) tax cuts coming in order to help the economy since employment figures are not good.
So my guess is that within 1-2 years, we'll start the next cycle upwards for 5-7 years or so. That's when more risky funds should start to outperform less risky ones (in theory).
well, I had in it in the managed fund for three years, and the passive fund started recovery around 18 months before a rather anaemic recovery in the managed fund (hence the switch), so your estimate looks about right.... and fits (as it happens) with fiscal lags from interest rate policy
@ChrisMayLA6 That sounds plausible to me. Of course you do need to make sure you are doing approximately the right thing, in the right way, but as long as you got that covered, I'd say the more and harder you try, the greater your luck will be. It could also be framed as hard work, perhaps. ;)
Yes, its a really good Q.; on the change, when I've occasionally seen it happen its pretty much always been linked to a personal crisis (which switches round the assessment of the status quo, because you are suddenly at the sharp end).... on where they come from; for me there's a Jesuitical thing here; as they say, given me the big 'til seven & I'll give you the man'.... there's a lot of influence from parents but not necessarily intended influence....
@ChrisMayLA6@stiefel_fan It depends. As long as the strikes respect each individual employment contracts, and does not stop other from working, I have nothing against them.
But if peoples on a strike would stop me from working, as someone not part of the union, it is not ethical.
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In response to this post@ChrisMayLA6 A problem there I think, is the tendency to over protect children. That stunts their development and stops them from becoming productive members of society.
I've seen it too much among my younger students (19-25).
I think however, that slowly society is waking up to that fact. But probably too early to tell.
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Yup, I'd agree; I do think they need to be protected from some things/people, but we've definitely seen the pendulum of protection swing too far towards (over)protect.... but there is (as you say) a burgeoning movement away from this, although there is still too much programming of risk elements rather than letting young children discover what is risky. I blame the 'parenting' industry which has heightened anxiety about the impact of negative childhood's experience(s)
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In response to this post@ChrisMayLA6 I agree. This sounds reasonable. If I think back to my unviersity days, the very few people I know what they are doing, are mostly still in sweden. I'm the most widely traveled person by having lived in 6 countries. I know one guy moved to singapore for a few years, one guy moved to mexico for 1-2 years or so. But out of the 160 or so in my class, I only very loosely know about 6-7 or so.
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In response to this post@ChrisMayLA6 Ahh... but wasn't there an exception made for corona? I think the article I read was related to (b) where parents argue that the quality of schools are so bad it causes their children mental problems, and therefore they need to be home schooled.
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yes, there was a lot on online learning in the pandemic, which is now seen as having contributed to heightened anxiety & social difficulties of the school age children....
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@ChrisMayLA6 Thank you very much!
Hmm. Perhaps a house within the next 6 month is a good idea, if we're about 18-24 months away right now.
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@ChrisMayLA6 Ahhh... so that's where it's from! I thought it was a baseball player, but now I know. Thank you!
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@ChrisMayLA6 Even though I firmly reside with the home schoolers, I do have a soft spot for government schools when you consider the fact that some irresponsible parents have no business teaching their children anything, and in some cases, I even wonder if those parents perhaps even shouldn't be parents in the first place.
In those cases, home schooling can do a lot of harm.
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@ChrisMayLA6 specifically talking about UK home schooling.
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UK home schooling is very much a minority activity... driven in the main by:
a. religious belief - so some religious parents prefer to have the children taught at home & clearly inculcated into the community religion;
b. special educational needs; the SEN system is somewhat of a crisis & some parents having failed to find a suitable solution for their children's education end up taking it upon themselves (because they ay be better able to deal with behavioural issues, for instance);
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@ChrisMayLA6 I'm not very aware of the UK policies. What have they been doing and what were the results?
In sweden, every government, regardless of color, always wants to redo the school system "their way".
The result is that sweden is among the lowest in the PISA scores.
Strangely enough, today I read in the swedish mainstream paper, that sweden should copy the UK school system for 8-16 year olds, since it apparently, according to the paper, has been successful (?).
I think they were
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@ChrisMayLA6 I think it depends on the person. The US is like the EU. You have very conservative states, often in the middle, and very socialist along the coasts. I think that regardless of ideology or color, young people in europe, who are bright and well educated, will find nice places in the US to settle down.
I do think though, based on reputation, that the most likely to move are the conservative young.
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@ChrisMayLA6 EU politics of socialism, authoritarianism and high taxes are not reversed. I feel sorry for the young and bright in the EU, but at least they will be able to move to the US in the future. Perhaps I should feel more sorry for the middle-aged? Much more difficult for them to move. =/
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Hmmm... not so sure the young will want to move to the US; some of the mores & norms of conservative America would seem to conflict which much of what European youth seem to live by, but then again I'm no longer in touch with the young, like I was when I was working, so maybe I'm miss-reading that?
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@ChrisMayLA6 But remember, that we'll also reap the benefits at 3x-4x the speed as well, so the negatives will be offset!
The key here is not to be too quick with government regulations, so as to miss out.
The CEO of OpenAI did an excellent job oin behalf of the US, to stop the EU AI market, and with regulatory capture.
Mario Draghi, strangely enough, dared to tell the truth. The EU is falling behind, and the EU will be nothing but a tourist resort in the future if the current
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@ChrisMayLA6 Are there any proven rule of thumbs for how long interest decreases take before they show a positive effect on consumption and the economy?
I'm thinking about buying a house, but I am reluctant to sell shares if they are about to increase in value. In that case, perhaps better to postpone the purchase.
On the other hand... when the economy starts to recover, that will drive up house prises.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. ;)
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@ChrisMayLA6 Who is Gary Player? I don't think I ever heard the name before.
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@ChrisMayLA6 That also explains the conflict between home schoolers and the government. It is about power over the children, and who gets to influence them the most.
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yes, spot on!
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@ChrisMayLA6 Yes, I agree. There is something with a personal crisis or with an extreme situation, that sometimes forces people out of ingrained, mental habits, and into new perspectives. Just look at people with near death experiences, I'd say that there can be radical shifts of values there.
As for upbringing, it is true. That is why I think the government is so attracted to getting its hands on the young, because it makes it easier to mold them into supporters of the government.
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@ChrisMayLA6 @stiefel_fan Well, I am not against people communicating their point of view and arguments, this is ok. As long as I, after having received their information, have a free choice of working or not working, that is perfectly fine.
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In response to this post@ChrisMayLA6 This is interesting. Over how many years did it lag?
Since we are currently in recession territory and unstable markets, it is to be expected.
Interest rates are coming down, and (in sweden at least) tax cuts coming in order to help the economy since employment figures are not good.
So my guess is that within 1-2 years, we'll start the next cycle upwards for 5-7 years or so. That's when more risky funds should start to outperform less risky ones (in theory).
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well, I had in it in the managed fund for three years, and the passive fund started recovery around 18 months before a rather anaemic recovery in the managed fund (hence the switch), so your estimate looks about right.... and fits (as it happens) with fiscal lags from interest rate policy
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In response to this post@ChrisMayLA6 That sounds plausible to me. Of course you do need to make sure you are doing approximately the right thing, in the right way, but as long as you got that covered, I'd say the more and harder you try, the greater your luck will be. It could also be framed as hard work, perhaps. ;)
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That's certainly what's behind the Gary Player saying
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In response to this post@ChrisMayLA6 This I think, opens up the conversation to an exploration of values.
Where do our values come from? How do we build them? How do they develop?
I am very fascinated by people who turn from being capitalists to communist, or communists to capitalists.
Radical shifts of value and ideology is very rare, and I always wonder how it comes about?
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Yes, its a really good Q.; on the change, when I've occasionally seen it happen its pretty much always been linked to a personal crisis (which switches round the assessment of the status quo, because you are suddenly at the sharp end).... on where they come from; for me there's a Jesuitical thing here; as they say, given me the big 'til seven & I'll give you the man'.... there's a lot of influence from parents but not necessarily intended influence....
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In response to this post@ChrisMayLA6 @stiefel_fan It depends. As long as the strikes respect each individual employment contracts, and does not stop other from working, I have nothing against them.
But if peoples on a strike would stop me from working, as someone not part of the union, it is not ethical.
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aha, yes I can see that; how do you feel about non-obstructive picketing?
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